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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:04:22 GMT -8
So today, I read in the OOC chat. That using a high social standing you are potentially able to order yourself the rarest minerals in Valesk. Through bypassing the sim business', and using your own NPC means. This seems a tad unfair, and overpowered. I have a feeling many second characters, will become high social standing. Simply because, they will be able to get themselves and friends... the rarest materials. While all the others must quest for it? This is really a concern, and I would appreciate some feedback!!
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Post by mayflowers on Jul 21, 2015 16:12:02 GMT -8
perhaps the council should be the only ones allowed to import such things and only a certain amount per week/month?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:29:53 GMT -8
Approval is essential, a high social rank is only useful when in RP to facilitate the exchange, by that I mean less RP to purchase/trade for it. For ex. If a PC (player character) comes into the Blacksmith with a submitted and APPROVED application to obtain whatever rare item. By that alone I am in obligation to sell or trade but, it will take RP perhaps more RP for someone without a high Social Status to obtain a finished product. That's the way I've been doing it. Only Valesk official businesses and the lead of the Ruskala (for Aphrodite) are the only ones allowed to trade such items. SO unless your business is an official Valesk business, you can talk all you want about peddling rare items but actually delivering on those claims would be much different, and also... pretty much breaking/bending rules. In other words this is what you need: Submitting of a app and approval from an admin, high rank in social probably just one to two days of RP and a wait period of several days depending on the item, low social standing: yer dealing with bureaucracy... Least that's how I play it, but at least Im not bending the rules.
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Post by Abaddon on Jul 21, 2015 16:36:32 GMT -8
So today, I read in the OOC chat. That using a high social standing you are potentially able to order yourself the rarest minerals in Valesk. Through bypassing the sim business', and using your own NPC means. This seems a tad unfair, and overpowered. I have a feeling many second characters, will become high social standing. Simply because, they will be able to get themselves and friends... the rarest materials. While all the others must quest for it? This is really a concern, and I would appreciate some feedback!! Ohhh, is that what you thought we were saying? No, we were saying someone with high Social Standing has the money to order in bars of Ventine (likely through some form of social roleplay, as opposed to combat-oriented roleplay.) Rather than expending health, they expend money. The important distinction is, however, that the bars would just come in as bars. There's no conceivable way to bring in ready-made armor and weapons, so no businesses end up being skipped in the process. It's just the Obtaining step, not the Working step. The character in question would still have to go find a smith to work it, and all that jazz, much the same as any other player might. Just, instead of fighting with sword and shield, it's with words and gold. The Staff still expects to see solid RP time put into obtaining said item. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't recognize the disconnect at the time.
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Post by mayflowers on Jul 21, 2015 16:43:15 GMT -8
would be very cool to see the RPs of these imports on the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:45:22 GMT -8
My problem is just that though... If I have a social standing themed character. I can just rp for a while, before having my own npc ships bring the supplies in? Really no matter what, unless they have to go through the same hoops as the other players... which does not have to be combat. I just do not see the fairness, in apping in wealth and the ability to get things others have to work harder for. And what happens, when people start making second characters to do exactly what we are talking about. Then the material will no longer be rare? Because I am sure, not everyone is going to just be content. With players shipping themselves items, through their own npc rp.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:46:16 GMT -8
Also I agree, if its a rare metal or item... enchantment whatever. I think it would be a great idea to save the logs of the rp's done for them. Seems more than fair.
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Post by Abaddon on Jul 21, 2015 17:26:35 GMT -8
Also I agree, if its a rare metal or item... enchantment whatever. I think it would be a great idea to save the logs of the rp's done for them. Seems more than fair. That's how it already works. It's part of the application process for obtaining items, handled with admins.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 17:47:59 GMT -8
Alright, I would still love to see an admin in here. Just want to make sure the npc of items and etc, is cool. instead of having to work with the current business owners. Just seems a bit off putting
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Post by Lιттle Ƭree (Cedar Ashland) on Jul 21, 2015 18:43:39 GMT -8
Hello Draefend. I would invite you to read the page we have on our website in regards to the various metals and how they can be obtained. (That page is here: isleofvalesk.weebly.com/metals.html ) For a lot of the metals there is a Social Standing rank required to obtain one with little difficulty. A person may seek a means to acquire the metal despite the Social Standing requirement, by contancting a SW or an Admin for an RP route. However, just because a Social Standing rank says it is easy for them to obtain a metal, doesn't mean the metal would be there always to obtain. The page also specifically states that the Rarity of a metal determines the amount of its supply (so to speak). Rare metals would not frequently be on hand for someone to purchase, Social Standing or not. And the Very Rare metals are almost never simply onhand. Which means, Social Standing rank or not, the metal shouldn't be considered as simply lying around waiting to be sold. It's pretty safe to say if someone is coming up with the right Social Standing rank and asking for a Rare or Very Rare metal, an admin or SW should be referred to in order to ascertain if the metal should be considered as even IN supply. And no, you most certainly can never simply NPC out the acquiring of them, much less NPCing out the acquiring of an imported supply.
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Post by equivocation on Jul 22, 2015 22:05:48 GMT -8
One thing you may notice from the page:
Several items are tagged as "Never available without RP." Nobody, player or staff, can just pull out a bar of Ventine. They are even less able to pull out a blade of Ventine. Additionally, as I discussed with staff earlier, they are still subject to IC availability, which is a product of:
Global markets & the going price of these rare but useful metals Whether someone else out there is paying more than you are. Whom they talk to (someone with connections? Someone who follows the law, or someone who smuggles it, or someone who just deals in rare goods no-questions-asked?) The location of Valesk in the world - as a mobile island with a substantial rate of travel, it's easy to outright fail to be in a region of the world where your ore or ingot of choice can be acquired. In this case, you simply have no choice but to wait on account of your luck. Etc.
I can't promise that every SW will consider all of those but you can probably get at least 2-3 reliably.
Those who can't pay in coin will pay in other ways - tasks, barter for other rare goods, and so on.
Besides which, RPing getting the metal shouldn't be just a means to an end but an end in itself.
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